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Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 03:38:00 - [1] Deciding to attempt to realize an idea I've had for quite some time, I would like to present the EVE community with: New Eden Gladiators What is it? It's a game show and it's an opportunity for gambling. Basically, two warriors going at it until one explodes while you watch and gamble. How does it work? The gladiators join a corporation specifically set up for this purpose. At a specified date and time, in a specified location, they fight each other. At the moment of listing of the matches, betting commences. The matches can be watched live on the location, or later on youtube. A channel will be set up for this expressed purpose. I want to be a Gladiator! Great, you are welcome. You need to apply to the corp New Eden Gladiators [NEGLA] which is run by my alt Mia Danang. You need to join up at least 24 hours before the event, in order to insure your participation as much as possible. You will be expected to provide your own ship for the event, at least until the ball gets rolling. Payment is based on a percentage of the take, as explained below. I want to bet! Great, you are welcome as well. As stated above, betting will commence at the time the matches are listed (will be listed here on these forums). Current odds will be presented at regular intervals. 15 minutes before the match, betting closes and final odds are presented. After each match, you can collect your winnings from the betting officer (name posted before event). Minimum bet is 1 million isk. There is no maximum bet. The odds? So, how are the odds calculated? Fairly simple, actually. The amount of betting on each Gladiator will determine the odds for that Gladiator. For example, let's say 15 people bets 1 million each on Gladiator A. The other Gladiators get a combined betting pool of 55 million. That means that the total betting pool is 70 million. The Take (i.e, the amount of isk the House deducts to insure payment of Gladiators etc, normally 14%) is deducted, which means there's 60,2 million left in the betting pool. The odds for Gladiator A is then calculated as [Isk bet on A / Total isk i betting pool] = 0,214285714, or in fractions, 75/301, meaning that for every 75 isk put in, you get 301 isk back. How do I place a bet? When betting commences, a bet is placed by transferring the amount of Isk you want to bet to the wallet of Mia Danang, the CEO of New Eden Gladiators. With your isk, you also send an Eve-mail with the details of your bet, i.e, "1 million isk on Gladiator C". Do not clutter the Eve-mail with other stuff. Keep it simple, or mistakes might happen and you could lose your bet. Security? So, how do you know this isn't an elaborate scam? Well, you don't quite frankly. However, the risk for each better is quite small, and I stand to make more isk if the game show grows, so it would be stupid to destroy my reputation and a cash cow in a cash grab operation. When? Now I would like to hear your views. I also want to reach out to any would-be Gladiators out there. If you are interested in becoming a Gladiator, let me know here so that I know there's an interest. Rules for the first match will come at a later time in this thread. Suffice to say, it will be limited to frigate combat. Once I have enough Gladiators, I will list the time and place for the matches, and betting will commence. So, come one, come all. Have a combat alt? Wanting to get in on some organized combat? Sign up today! You might even make a profit from it!
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 03:39:00 - [2] Edited by: Maximillian Bayonette on 07/02/2010 03:43:13 List of Gladiators. If you want your name stricken from the list, post again: 1. Cat O'Ninetails
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 03:40:00 - [3] Reserved
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 04:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Evyx Cervin EDIT: Forcing players to leave their current corp and join yours specifically to fight in one event is a bad idea. You can get a much greater number of participants without this. Yes, I know. However, having all participants in one corp makes sure that they don't drag in a bunch of wars, and that we don't have to rely on jetcan theft as an aggro method. I'm going to see if it can be done with all participants in a corp, and if I don't get enough Gladiators, I'll see about opening it up.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 05:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Blane Xero And when someone dec's you because you over-centralised? Looking forward to future drama. Then we make use of CCPs "excellent" get-out-of-jail-free-card and jump corp Seriously though, it might be a good idea to skip the whole "one corp" thing. If you're interested in being Gladiators but don't want to quit your corp, sign up anyway and we'll see how it goes.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 05:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Vaal Erit Ahahahahahahahaha. You do realize that Cat is a terrible forum troll, right? Didn't realize that. Nothing much to troll here, so I just figured she was interested in fighting.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 06:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Cuniculus Venator Nope, just a person THAT WILL NOT DIE Well, I'll give her the benefit of doubt and keep her on the list. Especially seeing as she's the only one there at the moment. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 09:56:00 - [8] Two Gladiators added. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 11:03:00 - [9] Originally by: measy I wonder how much neutral reppers, and suicide gankers the first match will have. Look ma! I'm on tv! None if I can help it. (Hint: I can) ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Droog 1 Why didn't you post with Ki An? By posting with an alt it looks suspicious and prolly a scam. Ki An is inactive, and I probably won't be reactivating him. Max is my main now. Very good memory, though. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?

Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Trader20 these fights won't get caps dropped on them You are right, they won't, for two reasons: 1. If you drops caps on a pair of frigs, you're officially ******ed. 2. If you manage to drop caps in highsec, you are cheating. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Julius Rigel I like this concept, it seems similar to the old eve-arena which arranged ranked duels, but appears to have become a killboard since last I visited. Or the daily Flight Club which I ran for a while but didn't really pick up enough momentum to keep going. So any information about rules and restrictions? I'd be interested in participating as a gladiator or maybe something more. You can go ahead and put me on the gladiator list for starters. The rules are quite loose at the moment. Suffice to say I'm aiming at strictly T1 frigs for the first game, to keep down costs and build some momentum. I'm thinking random knockout matches progressing up to a final pair. You're welcome to help in any way you want, organization wise if you're interested. I'll put you up as a Gladiator in the mean time. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Usagi Toshiro I really like this idea. Might I suggest teaming up with the folks at EVE Radio and making this a weekly radio show? That way it could be announced and narrated live. There's already a large listener base and they'd love to get in on a gig like this. It would make for some big betting pools! Yes, I was thinking that myself, but I don't want to impose on their programming. If they are interested they are free to let me know. I don't want to spam them with requests as I'm sure they are busy as it is. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:37:00 - [14] Originally by: AdmiralJohn I really like this idea, I think I could get into the gambling part. How would you handle the payouts? Would there be some automatic system, or would you manually do it yourself? That's actually the biggest problem with this, as the gambling part requires trust, something that is hard to come by in Eve. The only way I could see it work is by handling it myself, taking the risk of being labeled a scammer before I even get a chance to prove anyone wrong. I'm hoping that the relative low risk for each better combined with me being as open as possible will give people the confidence to give it a go. There's of course the possibility of bringing in someone well known and trusted. However, the undertaking for such a person would be quite substantial, and I'm not sure the small sums we're talking about would be interesting to someone like Chribba for instance. (If I'm wrong about this, Chribba, feel free to tell me so ) ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Chribba Without having to read more of this topic except the word "bet" I have actually sketched some drafts of a "betting service" that would make use of the API (wallets/killmails/etc) and would pretty much be automatic in terms of making bets, bidding against/for etc. The only manual part would be the actual payout. However it's at a very early stage so atm that service is of no use to you. I'm sure that would help a lot, but the biggest problem is the trust issue. I've got an excel sheet for odds calculation . Thanks anyway. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 21:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Dex Timor Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Chribba ... but the biggest problem is the trust issue. I've got an excel sheet ... What issue ? Trust ? You do realise that Chribba is the only pilot who people DO trust. Yeah, that was the point. That's what I need help with, and Chribba is the sort of person who could help with that, but given the amount of work involved for a relatively small sum of isk, I doubt he would want to. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 21:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Julius Rigel I'd love to have a chat in-game some time, not to impose too much on your idea, but I have plenty of opinions that might be of use. Hey, anything to get a better event. I'll make sure to contact you when I see you on. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.07 21:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Kirai Akuma Sounds very interesting sign me up as a gladiator. Done and done. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.08 00:27:00 - [19] Originally by: FU22 I like 1vs1s sign me up for become an uber fight gladitor! Signed up! ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.08 02:54:00 - [20] I'm just going to comment on Dai's points while keeping Julius' replies, cause he thinks like I do. Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Dai Connie I like the concept of the arena system. However i think it should also have 10vs 10 or 20 vs 20. Players can make teams and register that team for a certain event. Just to offer some constructive... counter-suggestions, if you will: Having ten and twenty player teams means having to fit the schedule to twenty and fourty players at once, it's doable, but it takes a considerable amount of planning and execution. I like this as a long-term goal, but personally I would focus on just one-on-one fights to begin with. Yes, this is a long term goal. Start small and grow must be the philosophy here if we're going to get this rolling. Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Dai Connie Also rather than just have random matches, there should be a tournament system where the winner gets prize money, bet money, titles, and points where they can be ranked. I like this idea, although if there are prizes, where does the prize money come from while still maintaining the business model of turning a profit? Prizes will be had. It will simply be a larger cut of the take. In the future, if the event grows, donations might make it possible for more grandiose prizes. I will, however, make an official "badge of honor" for the winner in the form of a forum signature, which can be used if the winner so choses. Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Dai Connie To make it even more sweet for public viewing,there should be live video and commentary for coverage of the tournaments. This. This is a fantastic idea. Indeed it is. As I explained in the OP, I will definitely fraps the matches and put them on youtube. These clips can easily be commentated by someone who knows PvP and feels up to it. When it comes to live streaming, a lß the official Alliance Tournament, this takes a lot of infrastructure work, and while it shouldn't be discarded, must be a long term goal as well, depending on how big the event gets. Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Dai Connie Tournaments can have different tiers to suit players of different experiences and money. I think to make it work it needs some sort of structure IMO. This is also a great idea, but again, it exponentiates the amount of resources that go into the event, IMHO this is for the future. To start I think there needs to be a one-size-fits-all set of rules. In practice this means tightening restrictions a bit to lower the cost cap of buying into the fights in order to allow even new players to fit a ship that will have a chance of winning. Nothing more to say than what Julius already said. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?

Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.08 02:57:00 - [21] Edited by: Maximillian Bayonette on 08/02/2010 02:57:30 Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Any of these types of leagues that don't find a way for players with negative sec status to participate will always be bush league. It is indeed sad that outlaws will have to pass on this tournament, but the risk of having this set in low sec is just too big for it to be feasible. You can always send an alt, or rat your sec status up? /Edit: Kuronaga added as Gladiator. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.08 04:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Ker Vicodus Edited by: Ker Vicodus on 08/02/2010 03:39:21 Hah, I was thinking of something like this the other day, very cool. What system are you planning on staging the event in? I would love to watch/bet, sounds like a good time. If you need a hand with any of the promotion for the event, I wouldnt mind helping. I can also make you a quick free forum if youd like (not like its difficult or anything). Just something concrete that you can relay people to for announcements long after this post is gone. Just send me an eve mail -Ker Noted. Might just take you up on that offer. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.08 04:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Eric Policky So, assume I would like to bet on a match. What information would I have to go on? Would I be basing it purely on the names involved, or would the gladiators be submitting ship fittings before the match or what? I've only been in EVE for well under a year, so I would not know how to bet based on name alone, though this is something that I would find interesting to get involved in. You would have the name, and whatever inside information you yourself can garner by asking around. You will also know the rules for the matches before hand, like for instance, T2/T1 fittings, ship classes etc. With this information, you make your best guess. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.08 04:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Eric Policky Might it be interesting to have each participant in the fights post which race's ships they will fly before the match? Note that I am asking a question not making a suggestion. Might be, but part of the fun is the gambling part, i.e, you don't know for sure. We might have participants from known PvP corps which might make more people bet on them, thus lowering their odds, but then again, a complete unknown could end up taking the prize, resulting in a huge win for a few individuals with luck or some secret insider knowledge. I wouldn't want the tournament to be about people betting on the cookie-cutter setup. Each Gladiator is responsible for bringing his A-game to the fight, and there's an incentive to win as their take will be (much) higher. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.08 05:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Eric Policky Are you saying that knowing what two race's ships will be fighting each other (i.e. gallente vs caldari) you will know the outcome? Assuming this is true, if nothing else the odds for these fights will be valuable data for CCP for balancing purposes. I'm not saying that exactly, but if, for example, a rifter were to go up against a navitas (sure, extreme example, but you get the point), all else being equal, my isk would always be on the rifter. Some ships are better than other ships in certain roles. I don't want the ship to be a deciding factor over which way people bet. I want the pilot to be the important part. As for it being valuable for CCP, I would rather they didn't balance the game with 1v1s in mind. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.09 00:03:00 - [26] Several good ideas here. All of these might certainly be implemented. Right now we need Gladiators, though. Come one people, sign up! It's just a frig, after all and you could win isk and be famous ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.09 03:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Dai Connie Needs some planning. Like for example, maybe a website might help. Setting a time and date, prize money amount? maybe a good idea is to advertise a bit more beyond the local forum. I mean i would join but i dont even know what the system you are runningor procedures. It certainly needs planning. I was hoping to wait with a web page until I have enough interest, to spare me doing loads of work with no payoff. I'm trying to advertise the event by doing ad hoc tournaments in trade hubs. Hopefully that'll get some interest. About prize money and procedures, that would be up to the amount of betters we get. 15-20% of bets goes to paying Gladiators and staff. From that, the winner gets the highest amount. From time to time, donations will let the winner get more. It's not the best payed gig, but it's not expensive to enter, and you have a better chance of winning here than any lottery you might enter. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.09 04:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Rhinanna I will be intrested with futher details: Ship types e.t.c. Rules What can't be used (ECM?) Ok, just remember that these rules are temporary for now: 1. T1 Frigates. 2. Meta level 1-4, meaning no T2, no faction. 3. Rigs are fine (T1). 4. No ECM (Damps, painters etc fine, just no jamming ECM). 5. Warp out means loss, but fit scram to get a kill. 6. Cloak means loss. 7. Can aggro used. Both parties drop a can 10k from each other. Move to the other's can, steal at given signal. 8. Any outside help and the match is over, and the cheating party is banned from future tournaments (unless he has a very good explanation). ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.09 10:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Carmine Terriv Of course, if the betters know beforehand what sort of ships both people are flying, they can probably predict the outcome of the battle 80% of the time simply based on stats and common knowledge. Up the ante, make it 3v3 fights with hidden teams! Well, it's hidden already as no-one will know the ships before hand. The 3v3 thing sounds excellent, but given the fact that so few have signed up so far it's going to have to be 1v1. If a lot of people sign up, we can have a team event as well. If you want to sign up a team, post here. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.09 22:31:00 - [30] Originally by: SomebodyKickedMyDog any idea when the first match will be held; or are you still just in the planning phase? Here's how this is gonna play out, hopefully: Once I get enough people signing up to fight (at least 8, preferably 16), and these people have committed themselves to the tournament (i.e, confirmed that they are doing it), the Gladiators and I will have a chat and determine the best time, probably a weekend. Once that is done, I will randomize the matches and open up betting. So, I need more people to sign up. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?

Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.11 16:43:00 - [31] Updated OP with Channel information. ________________________________________ New Eden Gladiators - Do you have what it takes?

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